Foto van Daniela Bata-Bogdanov

Daniela Bata-Bogdanov

Official, PDC Europe

"Marking the score? Practice, practice, practice!"

I know you of course from the PDC TV shows, but could you tell me in your own words who you are and where we know you from?

Well, I work with the PDC, the Professional Darts Corporation, specifically in the marking team. My role involves scoring, among other duties, and it's something I've grown quite passionate about. I'm looking forward to discussing it and answering any questions you might have.

Could you just tell us how you got into darts scoring and marking?

My journey into darts began as a player. But when you lost the game, you had to stay at the board and mark the next game. We had no digital aids back then, so it was harder than today.

In 2013 the PDC held qualification tournaments for the World Championship for the East of Europe. One player wanted us to statistics for him during his games: how many checkouts he had, how many darts he threw for the double etc. Other players then wanted the same thing.

Barbara, who was then tournament director spoke to PDC Europe and was allowed to bring five or six of us from Hungary to score matches. The guy who kept statistics for every single player at the tournament is now my husband by the way.

So I stood at the board, with very good players like the Rodriguez Brothers, Mensur Suljovic and other Hungarian and Croatian players. In the beginning it was hard, but it was the best place for me to learn how to score, how to behave on stage and not to be afraid of those games and the players.

And then in 2018 I got a big chance to be on stage in the Eurotour in Leverkusen.

You were the first female stage official at a PDC TV event. I think that is a fantastic achievement.

I was the first woman on stage on the big PDC stage at the World Cup in 2019, but there were other women on stage before that. I must mention Renate Tupuschis from who was already at the PDC when I got there and who did big non-televised stage tournaments in Germany. But I was indeed the first on television.

And how did that make you feel?

It was a mix of honor and pressure. I was also very curious if people would accept me as a woman. In the end it is about proving competence and earning respect. The nerves were there, of course, but so was the excitement and I just wanted to do the job well.

Foto van Daniela als schrijver van de PDC

(c) Alamy

A lot of people are afraid of marking the score. Do you have any advice for those people starting out?

Absolutely. The key piece of advice I'd give is to practice as much as you can in a low-pressure environment. Imagine you're just playing with friends or practicing at home. The more you do it, the more natural it becomes. Don't focus too much on the pressure of the situation. Whether it's in a pub or on a stage, the numbers don't change. It's all about getting comfortable with the process.

And if somebody who starts out really wants to learn how to how, could you give other tips or tricks?

I don't think you can be a good scorer without playing darts yourself. You learn the remaining scores, especially when you get to the doubles. You start to know the combinations.

Also count along when you watch a game on TV. Disregard what you see and what the commentators say. Just look at the game and count along.

But in the end, it's all about practicing. The more you score, the better you become. When I started, I also had to count, like 20 + 20 is 40. But now many years later I don’t count, it’s like I have a pictures in my head. So, practice, practice, practice!

Foto van Daniela als schrijver van de PDC met Russ Bray

(c) Alamy

Many players say that they need to concentrate on scoring so much that they are beat after a game. Do you still have to concentrate a lot?

There is a big difference between the stage or the floor tournaments.

On stage, there are more of us and even though we can’t speak, we do communicate somehow. You must be in the game of course, but it's more relaxed.

In floor tournaments (player championships or Pro Tours) you’re alone and concentration becomes the most important thing. When you do your job good, players won’t even notice you. But when you make a mistake, they will focus on you. You don’t want to ruin their game.

Do you ever make mistakes?

Everyone makes mistakes, especially when you do hard or long games, or do a series of many days in a row. The important thing is how you recover from them. Acknowledge it, correct it as soon as possible, and move on. That’s all fine.

A lot of players, whether it's in darts or in other sports, have a routine prepare for a game, some small things they do to get into the zone.

I don’t really have a routine. It’s just like any other job you do every single day. Before you go to work in the morning, you don't have a special routine for that.

We just check the games we will be scoring, who wins the bull, will we be standing on the left- or right-hand side, checking if the water is already on the stage or things like that. Simple things really.

In local tournaments generally scoring is done manually. There is a call however to use calculators or tablets. How do you feel about that?

There is nothing wrong with it, I’d say it's a good thing. It can really help, especially with inexperienced players. Or very big tournaments because there are less mistakes.

But in the end, it’s useful to learn how to count, it can really help improve your own game.

At the PDC we keep the manual scoring, to avoid interruptions due to losing internet connection for instance. At the PDC we would not consider that until we’re 100% sure it is stable.

Foto van Daniela als schrijver van de PDC

Are there any players that you and really enjoy writing for? Or are there players who drive you crazy, for instance by taking very strange routes?

As a marker it shouldn’t really matter who the player is. You do have ‘old-school’ players who for instance throw at the 20 all the time, so you don’t have to think as much. But this may also become a little bit boring. Personally, I like it when a player plays quickly and keeps you on your toes. I always love to get challenged.

Do you have any funny anecdotes?

It’s small things. Like one time I was on stage with one other marker. We were very tired, and he forgot that it was his player who was throwing. So, the player came up and asked: “are you sleeping?” That was a funny moment.
Sometimes if you are busy and especially during very challenging games, you forget the cameras and when too many things happen at the same time, you may just curse in the microphone.
The German Super League is one of the hardest tournaments, because it lasts 5 or 6 days.
We start at 10:00 o'clock in the morning and we finish at 7-8 o'clock in the evening. I was so tired that I called ‘100 and something”.
But when these things happen, we laugh with it, because that’s the best way to enjoy your job.

Foto van dartspijlen Legacy van Raymond Van Barneveld

Van Barneveld Legacy

Do you still play darts yourself? And what Darts are you using?

I used to, but not anymore, due to a lack of time. Also, I am the kind of person who gets angry at herself for not playing at her best. I also have a small elbow injury.

But sometimes I feel like it would be nice to get back on track, I just don’t know how.

When I play, I play with Raymond Van Barneveld Legacy 25g.

Maybe just one final question on scoring. How do you feel about initiatives that help people learning how to score?

I'm always happy to help if I can. I don’t think there is no one way to teach someone how to score. When you start playing Darts people can give you advice and tips & tricks. For scoring I think that is harder. But anything that helps people get closer to scoring is a good thing.

That’s it. Thank you so much for taking the time to do this interview.

I'm always happy to share my experiences and good luck with your ebook.

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